Trains from Longfield to Victoria with time at Victoria in brackets: Mon-Sat 8.03 (9.23), 8.46 (9.55), 10.45 (11.50), 15.10 (16.19), 18.10 (19.13), 18.51 (19.50), 22.04 (23.25), Sun 8.39 (9.54), 11.25 (12.45), 18.34 (19.55), 21.38 (23.00).
Not very many changes from 1877 timetable with the exception of some afternoon trains retimed.
Mr Whitford said he was pleased to state that the loss sustained was only 1¼% of the total sales.
Mr Hart, as chairman of the Depot Committee, was much gratified at the bad debts being so small. He had received a letter from the clerk containing all the details, and he should be happy to let Mr Side see if if he wished. He contended that the establishment of the depot was one of the best things which had happened for the parish, inasmuch as it had been the means of saving Newington an immense amount of money in the course of hte year.
The following letter from the clerk (Mr L J Dunham) was then read: Dear Sir - Some doubts having arisen upon the question of bad debts made upon the sal eof refuse from the depot. I have gone into the matter, and find that since the opening of the depot on the 28th July 1873, the committee have sent away 201,340 tons of ashes and mixture, and this quanitity has been sold at £29,585 5s 1d. Of this sum only £2,806 3s 1d was due at Christmas, since which date i have received £1,403 18s 7d, leaving only a balance therefore of £1,402 4s 6d due on all consignments made to 31st December 1879. Since the opening of the sidings, the sum of £214 2s 11d has been allowed as rebate off accounts, and from the balance of £1,402 4s 6d now owing the vestry only £120 14s 6d can be put down as bad or doubtful, aso that by taking the two items of £214 2s 11d and £120 14s 6d, only £334 17s 5d can be deducted from the sum of £29,585 5s 1d as the amount lost which is less than 1½% of the total sales."
[This report is interesting chiefly for details of the sheer volume of manure and ashes sent from Newington to Longfield.]
Mr john Lees is instructed by the executors of the late NJ Collier esq to sell by auction at the Mart, London on Thursday, April 22nd at 12 for 1 o'clock the above desirable leasehold property, to hold for an unexpired term of 10 years at a low rent..."
But confining ourselves to Newington for the moment, it appears that about 5 years ago it occurred to certain members of the Vestry that it would not be unadvisable, on sanitary and economic, and perhaps on other grounds, to establish a dust mart in the parish, and in due course the Depot sprang into life. To the traveller on the London, Chatham and Dover, this monster muck-heap has anything but a pleasant appearance, and the casual observer is forced to the conclusion that the whole rag and bottle trade of the metropolis has made Newington its abiding home. But whilst the wretched side of the picture is thus thrust upon us, its pleasant pecularity is entirely lost to view. We marvel at the zeal with which the local Governors of Newington run after dirt and unsavouriness without so much as suspecting the reward which is in store once a year for such devotion. The recent dinner at the Bridge House explains it all. There is in Newington a parochial heaven this side the grave, where services freely and generously given are as generously rewarded; and we are rather inclined to rejoice that such is the case. It is confessed on all hands that the establishment of the Walworth Depot has been beneficial in many ways; and no-one can dispute the fact that the members who manage it on behalf of the ratepayers have many unpleasant duties to perform. It seems, therefore, a little ungracious that such exceptionally disagreeable parochial work should not have one streak of light - one moment of pleasure. It is perhaps possible to conceive the existence of a being who would find his highest reward in the work itself, though such ideal devotion is confessedly scarse in parochial matters.
But the dinner about which so much has been said was given, we take it, not to vestrymen for services rendered, but to farmers and others for favours received and to come. Douglas Jerrold once remarked that if London were dstroyed by an earthquake tomorrow, a place would be cleared among the ruins in which the citizens would dine together to celebrate the event. Now, the vestrymen and farmers have something of a tangible character to rejoice over - the only appearance of ruins being those of a well-served dinner. It may be that the farmers who purchase the 'Newington mixture' make it a condition in the bond not to settle their little accounts except over the dinner table; but let the case be as it may, it cannot be doubted that a little rational festivity makes the wheels of business travel smoothly over the ground. The farmers might perhaps be equally induced to purchase if the article were sold at a reduced cost, but there is a great staying power in a dinner, and Newington, whien it has got some good and substantial customers, has an evident desire to retain them. The means devised for carrying out such a laudable desire may not be free from objection, but so far hey have been as succesful in effect as they are parochial in character. At all events, compared with other festive gatherings in neighbouring parishes, it cannot be said that the Newington revellers have been extravagant, since the dinner cost £20 less than the estimate sanctioned by the Vestry some months previously!"
[The paper appears to usually support the ruling group on Newington Vestry, and this light hearted article supports the dinners attended by councillors and the customers of the Longfield Depot. It does not paint a pretty picture of the Walworth depot though!]
[Kent House station on the line from Bromley to London commemorates the former farm.]
Mr Henry Booth Hohler, of Fawkham Manor, who said he believed the proposed lines would be of great service to such villages as Fawkham, Longfield, Horton Kirby and Sutton at Hone.
Mr Walter Solomon, of Westwood Farm, Southfleet, said that the line would be a great advantage to the farmers in his district, because the fruit could be put on the train and taken right into the market.
Mr Charles Douglas Fox said the line would run from Fawkham, near Westwood, Southfleet, Springhead, Northfleet, and Rosherville, and it would terminate in the block of property lying between West Street and Church Street, immediately adjoining the Town Pier and the ferry Station of the Tilbury and Southend Railway. The cost of the works on the line would be £125,349 which, together with the cost of the land, would bring it up to a total of £164,936 for the railway. In addition to which it was proposed to expend the sum of £18,605 in widening Church Stree, adn £11,285 for making a short new street in Gravesend. He believed the powers in the bill to enable the Corporation to subscribe for street improvements had been struck out. They proposed to have one station for Southfleet and Westwood, another at Springhead, and a joint station for Rosherville and Northfleet, immediately adjoining the Rosherville Gardens. The house property that would be affected in Gravesend would be of the very worst description, some of the worst he had ever seen - many of the cottages being perfect hovels. The number of houses disturbed in Gravesend would be 113, inhabited by 686 people.
Sir Sydney Headley Waterlow, bart, MP, in answer to Mr Pope, said that he was member of Parliament for Gravesend, and deputy chairman of the London, Chatham and Dover Railway. He was named in the proposed Bill as one of the first directors of the proposed line, having been induced to accept the position, both by reason of his connection with the London, Chatham and Dover Railway, and from the opinion of his constituents. When he was member for Maidstone he did all he could, and ultimately succeeded in getting a third line to the town, because he though it would be a good thing for his constituents and the inhabitants; and when he became member for Gravesend he set himself to work to see if he could not do for Gravesend what he had done with so much advantage for Maidstone. When the third line was opened to Maidstone the inhabitants obtained a much larger number of trains, running much more quickly, with better carriages and a great many other conveniences and facilities that they did not possess before, and he hoped the same would be the result if the committee should pass the Bill for a line to Gravesend. He had committed himself to serious personal responsibilities with a view of obtaining this line. He was of opinion that the people of Gravesend were practically unanimous in favour of this new line, for as far as he had been able to gather the opinion he knew of no one of influence who was not in favour of it, and naturally so because of the conveniences and facilties it would afford.
Mr Arthur Stride, general manager of the London, Tilbury and Southend Railway, spoke of the increased facilitiies for communities that would be afforded between Mid Kent and Essex if the new line were made.
Mr Robert John James, cattle salesman and drover of 55 Queen Street, Gravesend, said that if the new line came into operation it would give him better facilities and advantages in teh way of business."
Trains from Longfield to Victoria with time at Victoria in brackets: Mon-Sat 8.03 (9.23), 8.46 (9.55), 10.45 (11.50), 12.13 (13.15), 15.10 (16.18), 16.10 (17.15), 18.10 (19.13), 18.51 (19.53), 22.04 (23.25), Sun 8.39 (9.54), 11.25 (12.45), 18.34 (20.04), 21.28 (22.45).
Since 1880 there has been one additional down train and 2 additional up trains.
[There is no-one called Thomas Antrie living at Hartley in 1881, so I think this may be a misspelling of Thomas Outred who was aged 44.]
About 22½ acres of valuable Underwood, in various woods and shaws on the above estate.
Also 16½ acres at Hartley Manor, near Fawkham Station, the property of Colonel Evelyn.
Mr Sullivan the bailiff at Fawkham Manor, will show the lots there, and Packman, the woodreve, those at Hartley Manor, of both of whom catalogues may be had, also at the point of sale, and of the auctioneer, Farningham, Kent."
[It appears only woodland at Hartley Manor was being sold, not the land itself.]
Mr Hart, in moving the adoption fo the report, expressed regreat that the financial results were different to what they had been previously. As compared with last year, they had sustained a loss of £1,369 on the depot. That was very serious, as it meant a penny rate. They wwere anxious to make the Longfield Depot as complete as possible, so that in case of any accident they might have a place to deposit the refuse etc. He did not anticipate anything of the kind, because he believed the depot would continue to be a success. It had been a success throught the piece, and would be a success in the future. Even if this balance remained against them, it would be considered cheap for he cleansing of the parish. Mr Scowcroft seconded.
Mr Whitford said they ahd sustained a loss of £1,270 by the withdrawal of St George's Vestry; but he expected to find a corresponding reduction in the working expenses of the depot. It was a matter of great concern to the parish that they shoudl not be called upon to pay a larger amount towards the maintenance of the depot, and considering the large amount they would have to pay towards the permanent works of the country depot, it was most important that the committee should try and reduce the present expenditure. He knew the great difficulties against which they had had to contend, but the loss sustained this year was a very serious matter.
Mr Snell said the committee had foreseen this difficulty. They knew that when St George's withdrew, they would have a corresponding reduction in the receipts. As St George's had gone, they must pay for it. But he hoped the time was not far distant when other parishes would come in.
Mr Side said that as there had not been so great a demand upon the exertions of the working staff at the depot, there ought to have been a corresponding reduction in the wages and expenditure.
Mr Ivison considered that this loss was only a temporary one. If the depot was worked with the same energy it had been worked hitherto - and he gave the principal credit for this energy to Mr Dunham, the clerk - better prices would be obtained in the future. He considered the loss of St George's a very good one, as they had got rid of a very great nuisance.
Mr Chester said the loss they had sustained was quite comprehensible If they withdrew from their business that which enabled them to pay a profit, they lost to the extent of that profit.
The resolution was carried, and the vestry adjourned."
Ann Cripps stated that the deceased was her husband. He was 52 years of age, and was a labourer in the brickfield. He lived at the brickfield at Fawkham [I think Longfield is meant here].
John Ansell, foreman to Mr Hickmott, brick merchant, Fawkham, stated that the deceased worked in that field. On Sunday [sic] afternoon, between 4 and 5 o'clock, he paid him his wages. Deceased had been drinking, but was in his usual health. He was leaving his service, and his furniture had been removed.
Frank Noakes stated that he was in the service of his mother. On Saturday afternoon, he was driving a donkey and cart from hartley to Longfield, and met the deceased near the brickfield. He asked witness to give him a lift, but witness told him he could not. Deceased appeared to be 'boozy' and held onto the cart. he went along with witness about a quarter of a mile on his way to the railway. After witness got home, he saw deceased pass, and he went in the Green Man, and when he came out he could not walk straight. Witness's mother and he watched him. Deceased turned down Mr Scratton's field straight for the railway gates. He walked much worse than when witness first saw him.
Stephen Ansley, an engine driver in the employ of the London, Chatham and Dover Railway Company, stated that on Saturday last he was the driver of the train due at Meopham at 5.41pm. When between the two bridges on the west side of the station he saw the deceased walking in the 6ft way, and when witness was within about 100 yards of him deceased looked back and saw the train coming. He then started to run, still keeping the 6ft way. When the train got within 15 or 20 yards of him, he turned apparently to cross right in front of the engine. Witness opened both whistles, and saw no more of the deceased until he passed. He was going at 10 or 12 miles an hour at the time. On looking back he saw him lying in the 4ft way, the train having passed over him. He pulled up and informed the station master.
Robert Halls, a porter employed at the Meopham station stated that on Saturday, just before the arrival of the 5.41 train, he saw a man running down the line in the 6ft way. The train was coming, and just before it got up to him he turned out of the 6ft into the down 4ft road in front of the approaching train. The engine knocked him down. On going to the spot, he found the deceased lying in the 4ft way, the train having passed over him (his head was smashed, and one foot nearly cut off). He was quite dead.
The jury returned a verdict of 'Accidently killed', and expressed an opinion that no blame be attached to the railway company or their servants."
Benjamin Berry, 12 Scott Street, Maidstone, papermaker, judgement in favour of Philip Hyman for £9.15.0 etc filed 17 June.
Elvy Cooper, Hartley, blacksmith, judgement in favour of Philip Hyman for £20 etc filed 17 June."
[The plaintiff, Philip Hyman, might be a watchmaker who lived at Chatham.]
Messrs Tootell and Sons are directed to offer for sale by auction at the Mart, Tokenhouse Yard, London, EC on Tuesday Oct 17th at 2 precisely in one lot, the NORTH ASH ESTATE, comprising 430a 1r 7p of good, sound, high level and productive land, with ????? , undulating banks, interspersed with belts of thriving woodland, affording sufficient cover for a good load of game. A comfortable farm residence stands in the centre of the property, and excellent farm buildings in a great part recently erected, are placed at suitable positions. Good roads communicate with the homesteads, the cottages and gardens. About 48 acres are meadow, 54 wood, 316 arable, 6 hops, 4 acres homsteads, gardens and cottages. The whole is in hand and possession will be given on completion of he purchase...."
Mr Dunham (the clerk) said it was quite true that potatoes had been grown on the surplus land at Longfield not required for immediate use, and that by his direction a sack had been sent to nearly every member of the Depot Committee. After sending a sack to those members who had not yet received any, he should have sufficient left, the sale of which would realise a sum in excess of the amount required to pay for the seed, planting, digging, and distribution, so that no part of the cost would be charged to the ratepayers. It was only right, however, the Vestry should know that before planting the ground, he offered the land to persons in the neighboourhood for cultivation, but they declined to take it except under an agreement for 3 years, with a 12 months' notice to determine the tenancy, the highest rent offered being 30 shillings. Under these circumstances ____ Mr Medland (interrupting): I simply wanted to know whether __ (cries of 'Chair, chair') __ whether it was true or not (renewed cries of 'chair, chair') I did not want a long statement from the clerk. Mr Robinson: I rise to a point of order (Cries of 'chair, chair'). Mr Tilling: I contend that Mr Robinson has the right to rise to a point of order (cries of 'chair, chair'). The Chairman: As soon as Mr Dunham has completed his answer I will hear you. The clerk (continuing) said that under the circumstances to which he had referred, it was not considered desirable to part with possession of any of hte land until the requirements o the vestry were ascertained, and the only possible loss, therefore, to the vestry, was the rental of 30 shillings, which he should be only too happy to pay if the vestry should so wish....
Mr Robinson complained that very little was ever heard of the work of this committee. They seemed to be always working in the dark.
Mr Side asserted that they went about the country looking after depots. He also hinted that they were spending money without the sanction of the Vestry (interruption). Mr Ivison rose to order. Mr Side was not discussing the committee's report (hear, hear). Mr Side said he was discussing the actions of the committee. Probably Mr Ivison had had a sack of potatoes (laughter). It was a great disgrace to accept such a present when he knew they belonged to the parish (Laughter).
Mr Scowcroft said Mr Side was a member of the Depot Committee, and also of the sub-committee and therefore ought to be aware of what was going on. (hear, hear). Mr Robinson: He refused the sack of potatoes, and was the only one that did....
Mr Hart said he utterly denied the statement that the committee went into the country looking after depots. If Mr Side had not a sack of potatoes to enjoy, he enjoyed himself very well at the depot tea the other day (laughter). Those who lived in glass houses should not throw stones. The report was adopted." [Not all councillors on Newington Vestry supported the Longfield scheme and were quick to notice any irregularities. Sending free sacks of potatoes to councillors certainly did not look good. Only one councillor (Robert Henry Side) refused to accept the gift.]
Mr Hart, in moving the adoption, said the money had been well spent, although they had exceeded the original estimate by £369. They wanted the depot at Longfield to be in such a condition that they could carry on a large business there. Mr High seconded.
Mr Side said this £369 had been spent without the consent of the vestry. In the course of his remarks he was several times called to order by the chairman, who told the speaker that if he came to a meeting where public business was transacted he must conform to the rules of debate.
Mr Chandler said there was no doubt that a magnificent work had been carried out by their clerk, but he should like to know by whose advice the committee expended this money.
Mr Marsland said the whole question had been previously thrashed out. The work had always been done by the committee, with the assistance of the clerk.
Mr Hart, in reply, said the work spoke for itself. Mr Side had been the cause of thousands of pounds being spent for the action taken by him in regard to the depot. The recommendations were carried."
[Bit of mystery. No house of this name is known, and no suitable "EG" in the 1881 census for Hartley. EG advertised again in the edition of 7.10.1886, saying this time she had to leave after 3 years 8 months due to death. Also that she was aged 33.]
Mr Hart said the return which their clerk had prepared had taken everyone by surprise. The sale of 291,943 tons of mixture and house dust during the 9 years ending Lady Day 1882 had realised £46,282 18s 7½d and the loss upon this large return had been only to the extent of £208 8s 6d. Having regard to the bad searsons the farmers had had to contend with, this return was of a most remarkable character. It was not the wish of the committee to take any credit with regard to this return. The whole refuse had been disposed of by their clerk, the whole money had been collected by their clerk, and they thought that to him was eminently due this return (hear, hear). Mr Hart then reminded the vestry that when the depot was purchased in 1871 it was calculated that it woudl be to the interest of the parish to pay the railway carriage of 1s 8d per ton on the refuse into the country or an annual charge of £2,000. During the 9 years ending Lady Day 1882, the vestry would have paid £1,800 for the carriage of refuse into the country, and £10,610 for interest and instalments on the depot loans of £14,000, or an average £3,179 per annum; but after the first 9 months' working, the vestry found that by mixing the house dust with the road sweepings as collected, the house dust impoverished the sweepings as manure, and the sweepings on the other hand spoilt the dust for brickmaking - the result being that at Lady Day 1874, the vestry were without a single offer to take away any of the refuse even by paying the carriage into the country. It was then determined first to deposit the refuse in the depot, and screen the house dust and sell this refuse to brickmakers and the road sweepings to farmers, which enabled the vestry to dispose of the whole of the refuse arising from the parish during the year ending Lady Day, 1875, for £1,609, or at the rate of 1s 6½d per ton. It was not possible to arrive at the actual cost it would have been to the vestry to dispose of the refuse only of this parish in the manner explained for the 9 years ending Lady Day 1882, in consequence of the increased business, and thereby beneficial results arising from the receoption into the depot of the refuse arising from St George's Parish; but if it cost this vestry £1,609 in the year ending 1875, before the contract with St George's Vestry was entered into, and £1,200 during hte present year, after the termintion of this contract, having regard to the increased facilities arising out of the establishment of the country depots, it was only reasonable to suppose that the average annual cost to this parish, had St George's contract never been entertained, would have reached £1,300, or for the 9 years £11,700 which showed a saving of £6,300, as against the original estimate made in 1871. But by the vestry receiving the refuse from St George's parish, and thereby enabling the committee to enter into large contracts, the annual balances appeared on the credit instead of the debit side of the account, which for the 5 years this contract was in existence amounted to £3,635. To this amount must be aadded the former debit balance of £1,300 per annum, making together £10,135 which this parish had gained by the two parishes working together, or within £475 of the total amount paid by the vestry for interest and instalments on the loans for the establishment of the depot. The result of 9 years working showed an expenditure to the parish, therefore, of £12,175, as against £28,610 which the vestry in 1871 was prepared to expend, or an acutal saving of £16,435. This great financial benefit was entirely irrespective of the improved sanitary condition of the parish, arising from the more rapid removal of the refuse from the streets and dust-bins. Although the business, as carried on at the depot during the 9 years ended Lady Day 1882, had only resulted in a saving to the parish of £16,435 as against the expenditure sanctioned in 1871, it was very evident that but for the depot the general rates during the same period would have had to bear an increased expenditure of £34,725 - which sum, as a matter of fact, the parish had benefited by the establishment of the depot.
Mr Tilling pointed out that notwithstanding the favourable picture drawn by the report, the rates in Newington were still very high.
Mr Marsland said the depot had undoubtedly resulted in a saving. It should be remembered that in times past they had no School Board rate. The assessments had increased, but so had the expenditure.
Mr Ivison agreed that the depot was one of the finest institutions they could have; but when they came to the question of St George's parish, he totally disagreed with Mr Hart. He contended, as he had before contended, that the balance-sheet showed they were far better off with their own refuse than with that of St George's (oh, oh and hear, hear)."
[The report says 291,943 tons of mixture and house dust (ashes) had been sold since the railway siding (? at Walworth) was opened in 1873. It is not entirely clear from this report how the depot at Longfield was doing, as a lot of the "benefits" are just that they hadn't spent quite as much as they thought they would in 1871.]
Trains from Longfield to Victoria with time at Victoria in brackets: Mon-Sat 8.00 (9.20), 8.31 (9.29), 9.25 (10.29), 11.00 (12.15), 12.47 (13.50), 14.15 (15.40), 15.51 (16.55), 19.07 (20.10), 20.16 (21.30), 22.09 (23.30), Sun 8.39 (9.54), 11.25 (12.45), 17.50 (19.18), 21.33 (22.50).
Since 1881 there were few changes to the down trains but Victoria bound services saw a lot of changes including an additional morning train which did not call at Sole Street or Meopham. Note: poor quality photocopy so some of the timings may be out.
[The trial at the quarter sessions was mentioned in the Kent and Sussex Courier 13.7.1883. Wallis got 3 months with hard labour and others 1 month with hard labour, all to get 12 strokes with the birch rod]
Mr G Barclay Bruce proposed the health of Lady Waterlow. The health of the Queen had been drunk, and they would go from monarchy in general to the queen of the occasion (hear, hear). It was exceedingly kind of Lady Waterlow to have honoured them by turning the first sod, and the best way he could thank her for doing so was by publcly expressing the gratitude the railway owed to her and her husband. To speak broadly, but for Sir Sydney Waterlow the railway would never have been an accomplished fact. He had fought for it against its enemies, and what was a far harder task he had protected it for its friends (hear, hear).
Sir Sydney Waterlow, in reply, said Lady Waterlow was proud of the privilege that had been accorded to her, of being hte first navvy in the employ of hte company. The sight of so many people to witness the cutting of the first sod had, he was quite sure, gladdened Lady Waterlow's heart. They could only hope that that day would be a good beginning, and that success might attend the Gravesend railway. He was sorry that it was the practice of the present age and the custome of society not to permit ladies to reply for themselves, as he was sure Lady Waterlow could have done so much better than he could do for her. She had not told him what to say, and he hoped they would allow him a little latitude (hear, hear). Lady Waterlow came from a country where making railways was a very different matter to what it was in England, where the ofrmation of a railway was, as a rule, afairly remunerative undertaking, if only Parliament once consented to the scheme. In her country, however railways were developed under very different circumstances, in fact a relation of heres had one had to carry a line through a tract of country where for 300 iles there was not a drop of water to assist him in his work The new Gravesend Railway would be formed under very different circumstances, and he hoped htat the work of the contractor would bring success to all concerned in it.
The Mayor of Gravesend gave 'Success to the Gravesend Railway'. Gravesend was daily increasing in size and growing into a large and important town. They could already boast of two railways connecting the town with the Great City, and they had that day seen the first sod of a new railway turned. Gravesend was, in fact, progressing very rapidly (hear, hear). They had tram cars running between the town and Northfleet, and if anyone doubted that statement, they could experience the effects of riding in one for the sum of twopence (applause and laughter). The docks on the other side would and did conduce to the trade, and, therefore, prosperity of the borough. They had a Thames tunnel looming in the distance, and he hoped they would all live to see it. They had a new Town Hall, and he hoped they would all live to see that finished as well as the Thames Tunnel (hear, hear and laughter). The fact that Gravesend was progressing so rapidly assured him that the toast he had given would be well received (applause).
Sir Sydney Waterlow said he felt the Mayor of Gravesend had placed a great responsibility upon him in calling upon him to respond to the toast. He was not, however, surprised that he had done so, remembering that he had been chairman ofthe company for some years. When he was firstelected the Parliamentary representative of Gravesend, he found that htis project had been almost destroyed in its conception, and he came to the conclusion that it would be to the benefit of the borough if it could be revived. By a deviation from the original plan and by adding a pier in the Thames for colleting the river traffic, they were enabled to induce Parliament to sanction the scheme, but evn then they had not conquered all their difficulties. They had to find those who would be resonsible for the cost of constructing the line, and he thought the alliance with the London, Chatham and Dover Company constituted one of the best means of securing the success they were all anxious for (cheers). The Chatham company had taken the smaller one in hand, and had promised to see them through their difficulties - an arrangement which was possibly facilitated by his dual position of vice-chairman of one and chairman of the other company. He thought the inhabitants of Gravesend might rest satisfied that the railway would be completed. They could not, he was sure, have placed it in the hands ofa stronger, more earnest, more satisfactory, and more energetic contractor, than Mr Bruce, and in a very short time he hoped that, through the kindness of the landowners, Mr Bruce would be in possession of the land necessary for the work, so that those residing near would witness the immediate and rapid progress of the undertaking. 'Success to the Gravesend Railway' meant two things - remuneration to those who had found the capital, and increased prosperity to Gravesend; therefore they would reaslise that he heartily concurred in the toast. It meant increased prosperity because it would give additional facilities of communication between the town and the great metropolis. The new line would afford directe communication with Bromley, Beckenham, Penge, Sydenham, Dulwich, Herne Hill, Camberwell, the Elephant and Castle, and Blackfriars, and to all the southern parts of London. It would open up the district around Gravesend to all the new stations in London - to Victoria, Holborn Viaduct and Ludgate Hill, and to Moorgate Street for those who wished to go to the other end of the city, while communication with the norther and eastern couties would be made more easy. Again the deep water peir to be constructed in connection with the Gravesend terminus would give facilities to passengers by the large steamers - especially those of the P and O line - to land from the steamer's teder by the side of their train, and be carried to any part of the south-west of London without a change of carriage. To enter the train at Victoria for Gravesend would form an easier and more rapid method of transit than proceeding from either the Fenchurch Street or Liverpool Street Stations (applause). He was very pleased indeed to hear the kind expressions which fell from the lips of the Mayor of Gravesend, because he believed that the words to which his worship gave utterance were spoken not merely in his individual, but also in his corporate capacity, and represented the feelings of their inhabitants of the town (hear). If they were kindly disposed towards the undertaking, and if they favoured it as a route to London in consequence of the increased facilities it afforded them, then the success of the line was assured (hear). There wre now a large number of pleasure-seekers who visited the borough, and he ventured to think that as the new railway would give additional facilities to the daily incresing number of holiday-keepers, the business of the town would be augmented. He had known the town ever since he could walk; he remembered it wen it was much more used by visitors than now, for the town was ieft in the cold because people migrated further for their holidays. But brighter days were now were now coming, and he believed that the increased traffic which they had reason to expect would prove even more beneficial than that they formerly enjoyed, as it would be more of a commercial character. The Mayor had reminded them that in all probability they would have a new Thames Tunnel in the course of a few years, and that it would connect Tilbury and Gravesend. He himself blieved that the project would be carried out, for about 10 days ago he had a long discussion with one of the promoters, and was assured that funds would be forthcoming to make the tunnel. Well, its construction would give more rapid communication to the eastern parts of England. It would enable butchers from Gravesend to go to Romford market for their cattle, and bring them home direct, instead of taking them first to London, and he hoped the inhabitants would give as much encouragement to that scheme as they had been kind enough to offer to the Gravesend Railway (applause).
Mr C Douglas Fox also replied. He felt that they had got over all their worst difficulties, for, though they had had a very stong opposition from the railway companywho were already in possession of the field, they had proved successful. The scheme originated, he believed, among a number of gentlemen in Northfleet and Gravesend, among them being Mr Nettleingham, who was then Mayor of the borough. In November 1879, plans were deposited and in 1880 they had their first fight before a Parliamentary Committee. The London, Chatham and Dover Company gave them a friendly pat on the back, but did not render them any material assistance, and as they were strongly opposed by the South Eastern Railway Company, and several landowners, among whom was Mr Bevan, their bill was rejected. But in 1890 they recommenced ther work under new auspices, and he was thnkful to remember how much they were indebted to Sir Sydney Waterlow for the great assistance he gave them in Parliament, and for what he did in securing them practical support from the London, Chatham and Dover Company. The result was than in 1881 they obtained the first Act for the line. A deviation being, however, rendered necessary, an amended Act was obtained int he follwoing year, and now they were assembled under very happy auspices to witness the comencement of the work. The line would commence with a junction with the main line of the London, Chatham and Dover Company at Fawkham, and would proceed almost in a straight line to the field (near Stuart Road) in which they were assembled. When finished there would be a station close to Southfleet, another near Rosherville, and another closed to where they were then sitting. He felt sure that Mr Bruce, although his work was cut out for him would, with the advantage of fine weather and the cooperation of the landowners, be able to complete the line within the year and half stated by the contract. When the railway was completed it would be connected at Gravesend with a deep water pier on the Thames. The pier would be so situated that the largest steamers would be able to go alongside at any state of the tide. He did not think that when those plans had been carried out, the railway would fail to be a great benefit to Gravesend and neighbourhood (hear, hear).
In submitting 'The health of the directors of the company', the Earl of Darnley said they believed the railway would give increased prosperity to the borough and additional facilities to the locality. Railways, his lordship continued, had no politics, and he thought that as son the directorate were to be found Sir Sydney Waterlow and Sir W Hart Dyke, they might trust to two such distinguished gentlemen to make the management of the undertaking both Liberal and Conservative in the best sense of the word. He would ask them to give a hearty welcome to the gentlemen who had undertaken and conducted the enterprise, the inauguration of which they were celebrating that day.
Sir William Hart Dyke, in responding, remarked that, though the existence of the directorate of his colleagues and hiself might be but ephemeral, yet he should be proud of having been connected with an undertaking, which could not but conduce to the prosperity of Gravesend, for he was sure that his colleagues all joined with him in the sincere desire to conduct the scheme to a successful issue.
Mr Nettleingham gave 'The health of the contractor' of whom he spoke in eulogistic terms.
Mr Bruce suitably responded, and introduced the toast of 'The Visitors', which was answered by Mr Lewis MP.
During the day the bells of St George's Church were ringing merrily."
[A lengthy report of the celebrations of the beginning of construction works for the line between Longfield and Gravesend. Lady Waterlow, the wife of the Liberal MP for Gravesend Sir Sydney Waterlow, dug the first sod. Sydney Waterlow (1822-1906) was from the famous stationer company of the same name and led a varied political career, he built Trosley Towers in 1887, the house is no longer there but the land is now Trosley Country Park. He was also noted for his philanthropy, he gave Waterlow Park in Highgate, London as a 'garden for the gardenless'. He apologised to his wife for the fact that under the custom of the day, she was not allowed to speak at the occasion.]
[This is the sad case of a porter called Hasleden. The 1881 Census has a Thomas Hasleden, railway porter, living with his wife and 3 year old daughter (born at Faversham) at one of the cottages around Hartley Green.]
For particulars and to view apply to Messrs Tootell and Sons, Land Surveyors and Valuers, 13 King Street, Maidstone."
Plants - Richard Porter, Mrs Longhurst, Mrs Gilham, Mrs Smith, Mrs Scott, Mr Levi Bean
Bouquets - Mr Brown, V Bennett, Alice Parker, J Chadburn, and Mr Vincent
Vegetables & Fruit - Mr Longhurst, Mr Brown, Mr Geere, Mr H West and Mr Lynds
Cookery - Mrs Elkin (cake), Mrs Bean (cake), Mrs Porter (bread)
Gardeners - Table decoration, Mr L Bean; collection of vegetables, Mr L Bean and Mr Rye
Honey - Mr J Lynds
Cards of merit, most tastefully decorated by Miss Lukis were given to - Mrs Evenden for a specimen of point lace, the work of many years; Miss K Hassell for a beautifully arranged centrepiece of cultivated flowers, and also one of wild flowers; Mr J Evenden for centrepiece of cultivated flowers; Mrs Jennings for illuminated Christmas Cards; the Rev P H Jennings for dried flowers and ferns; Mrs Dunn for painting; Miss Trowel for work; and Miss H Haines for work.
A few words of thanks to her ladyship and the exhibitors were next offered by the Rector (the Rev P H Jennings); and the proceedings closed wiht a vote of thanks to the Rector and Mrs Jennings for the immense labour and pains they had bestowed. Two bouquets of wild flowers were given to Countess Darnley and Lady Alice Bligh. Mr Sims, gardener to Mrs Bennett, Meopham, and Mr Phillips, gardener to Dr Baber, kindly acted as judges."""
Mr Hart, in moving hte adoptio of the report, said the completion of these works was recommended on the score of economy, as well as efficiency.
Mr Side was of opinion that if they were going to make as large a depot at Longfield as they had at Newington, they were making a great mistake.
Mr Poulton said no better work had ever been done by the Vestry than this. As the parish increased, so it would be advisable to increase the depot at Longfield.
Mr Hart said if Mr Side, who objected to this proposal, had begun to build a house and got towards the roof, he would not be wise man if he went no further, and left the roof off That was his suggestion in the present case.
The resolution was carried."
Messrs Willoughby & Son are instructed by the Kent and Essex House Land and General Investment Company Limited to offer for sale by auction, at the Railway Tavern, Fawkham (sic) on Thursday February 21st 1884 at 3 o'clock precisely, in 45 lots, the above eligible building estate, containing 21 plots suitable for the erection of shops and villas, with important frontages to Station Road; and 24 plots in the Main Road leading to Gravesend, for the erection of cottages, which are in great demand in the neighbourhood.
Nine tenths of the purchase money may remain at 5 per cent interest, payable in equal quarterly installment, but the whole or any part of the balance may be paid off at any time without notice. Free conveyance." [An important milestone in the development of Longfield, before the railway there was little more than the Church, Court and Railway Tavern at this end of the parish.]
[As mentioned elsewhere, the Longfield depot was a highly controversial issue in Newington Vestry. The clerk Levi Dunham published a leaflet to justify his (and the majority party's) policy, which this anonymous letter writer supported, although he thought Mr Dunham was unwise to break the neutrality expected of officers.]
Messrs Cronk have received instructions from Mr G Barclay Bruce jun (the contract for the Fawkham and Gravesend Railway beingt nearly completed), to sell by auction at the contractor's yard, Old Dover Road, Gravesend, on Wednesday September 10th 1884 at 10 o'clock, 20 excellent cart horses, very powerful, fit for London contractors or brewer's work, and the usual contractor's plant, comprising 10 collar and 14 chain harnesses, 2 carts, capital dog cart, erection of smith's shop and tools, quantity of picks, shovels, crowbars etc."
Messrs Cronk will sell the above by auction, at the Mart, on November 11th 1884 at 2pm in 6 lots. Particulars of Messrs Farrer & Co, 66 Lincoln's Inn Fields WC; and of Messrs Cronk, 12 Pall Mall SW, and Sevenoaks, Kent."
The Depot Committee recommended that they be empowered to expend a further sum of £350 in labour and material in completing the lowering works, the erection of concrete walls, and other works, such as paving etc, necessry to prepare the lower portion of Longfield Depot as a place for the storage, screening, and sale of ashes and breeze.
Mr Nobes, in moving the adoption of the report, said the Longfield Depot was rapidly approaching to a condition of perfection. All the 7 docks were thoroughly paved, and all the arrangements made for the purpose of receiving the mixture from Newington. There were other works, however, to be completed before they could obtain complete efficiency, and the committee made these recommendations in accordance with that object. The oney spend over the Longfield Depot had been wisely and judiciously spent, and he was sure that ther successors on that vestry would be grateful to those who had done so much to meet the requirements of the day. Mr Harvey seconded.
Mr Robinson was opposed to this expenditure altogether. He thought the ratepayers of the future would regret that there had been gentlemen on that vestry to promote such a scheme.
Mr Smith moved, as an amendment, that the report lie on the table. The chairman said he could not accept that amendment, as the report had been received. Mr Smith said that being so, he would move 'that it be referred back' and in the course of his remarks, the chairman had to remind him that he was wandering from the subject, and that time was an object to the vestry.
Mr Clark said to build a cart and only to put one wheel on was idiculous. It would be equally so not to complete the necessary works ommenced at this depot. In the future they might have to get rid of the depot at Manor Place. Then they would find the utility of the depot at Longfield.
Mr Side jun said he would never allow an opportunity to pass without protesting against the expenditure of money at Longfield. He charged the committee with deliberately misleading the vestry by leaving their present proposals out of the estimates.
The chairman said that was accusing the committee of fraud. He must ask Mr Side to withdraw (cries of 'withdraw').
Mr Side ultimately withdrew, but said the committee acknowledged this in their report by stating 'that when the £530 was inserted in the estiates, it was understood that this amount would only last till Michaelmas'.
On Mr Side sen rising, Mr Josland wished to know on a point of order whether Mr Side was qualified to sit there as a vestryman. At Plumstead they had instituted actions against vestrymen who had compounded for their rates. Mr Side said counsel's opinion had been given in his favour. The chairman said that was not the time to raise such a question as this. Mr Side then spoke in condemnation of the committee's proposal.
After some further discussion, and a division on an amendment moved by Mr Snell 'That the report be referred back', the committee's recommendation was approved, and the vestry adjourned."
[also mentioned briefly in Gravesend Reporter 15.11.1884, who names the injured man as Henry Offer]
Reds, Dark or Pale and moulded bricks to any pattery. Sound stocks, grissells and place at JJ Hickmott's, Fawkham Brickfields, Fawkham (near Dartford), close to the station.
[so really in Longfield]